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3/25/2014 1:29:00 PM
Is it Downtown Camp Verde? Or Uptown?
Sub-committee pondering new name for Camp Verde district character area
Whether Camp Verde Main Street is uptown or downtown could matter to the General Plan.
Whether Camp Verde Main Street is uptown or downtown could matter to the General Plan.
The land use sub-committee is considering changing the name of the Historic Downtown character area to Historic Uptown. (Not to scale) Map courtesy of the Town of Camp Verde.
The land use sub-committee is considering changing the name of the Historic Downtown character area to Historic Uptown. (Not to scale) Map courtesy of the Town of Camp Verde.

Bill Helm
Reporter


CAMP VERDE - Ever since character areas were first incorporated into the General Plan's land use element, the area surrounding downtown Main Street has been known as Historic Downtown.

The land use sub-committee is now considering giving the character area a different name.

As a child, when Irene Rezzonico would go downtown, "We're going uptown" is what she would tell her parents.

"No matter where you were headed from," said Rezzonico, now a member of the land use sub-committee, "you were headed uphill."

At the March 19 sub-committee meeting, Rezzonico suggested that the Historic Downtown character area should be renamed Historic Uptown.

"It's up. It's better," Rezzonico said.

Regardless of its name, the General Plan's land use sub-committee will discuss the downtown character area today at 3 p.m. Land use sub-committee member Kathy Davis agreed with Rezzonico's suggestion.

"[Downtown] really is uptown," Davis said. "Because it's physically uphill, people who live here call it that."

Jane Whitmire, also a member of the land use sub-committee, echoed Davis' comments.

"In listening to Irene, wherever you go, you're going up a hill to get to the center of town," Whitmire said.

Whitmire also said it is "most important" to retain the word historic in the name of the character area.

"I would not want it called Old Town," Whitmire said. "It's not appropriate, for various reasons. For our purposes, historic is a better designation."

During the March 20 General Plan work session, the Planning and Zoning Commission reached consensus on the Finnie Flat Character Area, one of the 10 character areas in the plan's land use element.

The commission has now reached consensus on three character areas. After spending several work sessions discussing the Pecan Lane and Middle Verde character areas, the Commission reached agreement on both areas at the Feb. 27 work session.

The Pecan Lane, Middle Verde, Finnie Flat and downtown area, along with Clear Creek/Verde Lakes, McCracken, Quarterhorse, Salt Mine, 260 corridor and 260 East, make up the designated character areas.

Wednesday's sub-committee meeting will be held at Parks and Recreation Conference Room, located at 395 S. Main St., room 310.



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Reader Comments

Posted: Thursday, April 17, 2014
Article comment by: Mary Ellen Casey

Unbelievable! If you have something worth while to say, stand up and be counted! Attend the P&Z meetings, show up at the sub-committee meeting that you are bellyaching about, learn about the process and do something for your community! Put your name to your comments rather than hiding behind the scenes! Believe it or not, there are people who live in Camp Verde, love living here, are generous with their time and kind with there words, perhaps taking a leaf out of there book would help you understand, this is a process and it will proceed with our without your negative comments!


Posted: Thursday, April 10, 2014
Article comment by: Historic What?

Hmm why exactly the ruffled feathers?

As far as I can see the statement that the town is moving on with turning downtown into a Historic District is not correct. I've re-read all of the articles as well as done a word search, no where have I found any evidence thru the articles that the planning committee is moving forward on making Downtown a Historic District.

In fact when I re-read thru all of the articles and comments it seems to me that Not Just Moving Ahead is pretty spot on with that they wrote.

In so far as the freedom to express opinions, isn't that what Just Moving on Was doing, expressing their opinion?

In my opinion perhaps the backlash toward Not Just Moving Ahead's comments is because they decided to not just sit by, spoke up, expressed their opinion as they saw it and it sparked the reaction it did because maybe their was a note of truth to it,

It says right in one of the articles that the input from people has been at best "minimal". Just seems to me that its kinda two faced to take exception to Not Just Moving On's post where they were doing exactly that, expressing their opinion.

Or is the real problem that they said that some may owe others an apology? But again that's just their opinion right?

So why all the ruffled feather in respects to one opinion verses another?


Posted: Wednesday, April 9, 2014
Article comment by: Not Just Moving Ahead

No one has assumed anything. What I actually proposed is that rather than spending time and energy in a fog of speculation as to what may or may not be the "truth" of the situation, that energies be utilized in a different, more effective and positive direction.

In respects to "people" and their pushing agendas, these "people" quite frankly do not have the power to push their personal agendas, unless of course we give it to them.

Cheryl Logan made the comments that the "Historic Downtown Character" area was going to be turned into a "Historic District" and that the General Town Planning Committee has the power to do this all on their own. Both frankly stated as a matter of fact, both incorrect.

Being coy? In respects to this issue its not a matter of being coy its a simple matter of clearing up some of the mis-conceptions and misinformation that is being sown. Nothing in respects to this issue has been decided upon by the committee. It is in fact the topic that is up for discussion yet again at the next meeting.

However as you even pointed out Downtown Voter, the committee does not have the final say, the voters in Camp Verde have the final say. If one does not like the idea of a "Historic District" vote it down. However time, effort, energy, and money could be saved if this was strongly and formally brought forth at the next meeting so that it sits as a matter of public record.

Opinions are fine, sought after, and even encouraged. Disparaging gossip mill fodder, and incorrect statements are not the same thing and are about as useful as a sieve for holding water. When I see this going on, I point it out. So in return and with all due respect deal with it.



Posted: Wednesday, April 9, 2014
Article comment by: Uptown Downtown Voter

@ Not Just Moving Ahead

There is a HUGE difference between the casual term historic downtown and the creation of a specific official "Historic District"

Lets not be coy about that, ok.
And you are not speaking to children, ok.

I have not seen one single solitary person, give one single solitary reason why the people living downtown should be put into a "Historic District. Not one. Not one.
I have seen plenty of reasons not to.

People cannot give their opinions and their thoughts in this blog?
Since when?
Sez who?

No one owes anyone any apology.
Deal with it.


Posted: Wednesday, April 9, 2014
Article comment by: MAIN STREET PROPERTY OWNER

"NOT JUST MOVING AHEAD"

Your assumption, that as property owners in Camp Verde, we have not attended many meetings concerning our property is just that, AN ASSUMPTION and in error.

The fact remains that there are people in this world who have a need to get involved in the matters of others and try to push their agendas on them. This is exactly what we have going on here. Do you think that there are many other issues that can and should be addressed by these people that would go a long way toward making Camp Verde a better place to live other than what this area and/or street is called? This is nothing more than yet another attempt by these people to control private property!


Posted: Wednesday, April 9, 2014
Article comment by: Not Just Moving Ahead

Down/Up town Camp Verde is already called "Historic Down Town" and the "powers that be" that are referred to in one post had nothing to do with this. Please, if you are going to weigh in on an issue, at least curb your own attitudes long enough to research and then think about what you are weighing in on.

The people who are working on the General Town Planning process DO NOT decide or implement anything. The entire plan will be placed before several groups for a review and comment process. After the review and comment process is complete the final draft of the plan must be VOTED on and PASSED by the towns people of Camp Verde in order to be put into action.

Rather than just writing discouraging comments why not actually show up to some of the meetings in order to get a first hand understanding of EXACTLY what is going on and then try to contribute in a positive way to the process.

The people working on updating the town's plan, are to a large degree being forced to do so with little to no real or useful input other than what often times amounts to unpleasant and/or incorrect post in the comments section of the paper.

In my opinion I think that an apology is due (by some) to the people who are actually working very hard to get this plan pulled together.


Posted: Wednesday, April 9, 2014
Article comment by: Cheryl Logan

Well I see by the newest Bugle article that the appointed powers that be are moving right ahead on Thursday night with the creation of a "Historic District"
Completely ignoring the concerns of the people living there.

How sad. Do they live Downtown?
Somehow I doubt that.


Posted: Tuesday, April 8, 2014
Article comment by: Ginger Mason

Don't know if anyone has noticed that the directional signs coming into the "uptown/downtown" from several directions already say 'HISTORIC DOWNTOWN' which took many years to accomplish since ADOT controls the signage on 260 and I-17. Some of the costs it would take to change those could be used for business development or implementing marketing strategies. Just sayin.

Posted: Monday, April 7, 2014
Article comment by: MAIN ST PROPERTY OWNER

Anyone who has lived in town for any length of time will know exactly why Ms. Whitmire is pushing the Historical Designation. Of course she does not live in the area but you can be sure that she will make it a point to try to control what the residents in the area can do with their private property.

Why is it that people move here from Scottsdale where they controlled their neighbor's private property with HOA's and then try to do the same thing here?


Posted: Sunday, April 6, 2014
Article comment by: hilda greely

I dont think many tourists come to camp verde because they like the name of a street. Phoenix folk want to get out of the traffic and heat. They want something different from where they live. Tourists want a place to walk around and shop and eat. Locals who live in the verde valley want to ride there atv,s and enjoy the river. Nobody stops in camp verde for garage sales on every corner,every weekend. Nobody wants to see used cars for sale everywhere, it looks tacky. Businesses with flashing lit signs saying "open for business" like las vegas. These are sights they can see at home.
To bring people to town these and other code violations that go unenforced by the town of camp verde need to be enforced. Without proactive enforcement of town codes,no one,including tourists will want to visit camp verde and no amount of advertising or name changes will change this fact.


Posted: Sunday, April 6, 2014
Article comment by: Curious Myself

Well it has been more than a week since my first comment, and this will be my last comment.

I see that many have responded with their opposition to making the Downtown/Uptown a "Historic District" and given reasons for it. Some of the reasons are valid, and worth considering and some are maybe just a bit fanciful......Maybe...I hope.

But no one has taken a swing at saying why it would be good to make it a "Historic District" and no one has given any reasons why it should be considered? A blanket declaration that it is "Most Important" is not a reason.

I still say the comments by Mr. (or Mrs.) Curious Query were excellent and should be answered before any decision is made.

As he/she asked "What are the intentions?"

Just my opinion


Posted: Thursday, April 3, 2014
Article comment by: Cheryl Logan

Seems to me one set of rules for the folks that live downtown, good or bad rules don't matter, and other sets of rules for folks in other neighborhoods is fundamentally unfair to all groups.

Different sets of rules for different sets of people is not how things are supposed to run in the United States.
It just isn't right.

I can't support that.


Posted: Monday, March 31, 2014
Article comment by: Uptown Downtown Voter

Actually the final decision is up to the voters. They have to approve the General Plan. Not a sub-committee, not the Planning and Zoning Commission, and not even the Council, but the voters.

I don't care if you call it uptown or downtown. But I sure care if you designate it as a 'Historic District."
That will get a no vote from me, a no vote from my wife, and you can take it to the bank that I will be bending the ears of my family, my friends, my neighbors and my acquaintances. And I have a good number of each.

Because I don't want to live in a "Historic District" and I don't want a gaggle of people with too much time on their hands, who need to get a life telling me what I can and can't do with my home, and telling me what I can and can't do on my property!

I already have enough of that with the many rules and regulations the Town already has. I don't need anymore of that, thank you kindly. There are already plenty of those to suit my fancy.

Now you can go ahead and tell me that I am just an ignorant country bumpkin that doesn't know what is good for me and mine, and I should just shut up and do what my betters tell me to do for my own good. Go ahead. I don't care.

If you want my vote for the General Plan you better drop that "Historic" turkey right now. Cause I don't want it.

And Ms. Davis is correct. The people working on this, all of them deserve our thanks, and I am not trying to make fun of any of them. Just saying what will lose my vote, and probably a whole slew of other votes.

God Bless


Posted: Sunday, March 30, 2014
Article comment by: Cat Davis

Cities and Towns in Arizona are required to establish a General Plan and update it every 10 years. It is a conceptual plan for evaluating existing development conditions, making forecasts, and outlining broad policies that the Town will use to implement its vision through other more specific plans and measures... Its the law.

Not an easy task. One has only to read the comments posted to see that even in a small town numerous opinions exist as to priorities, goals, and even the validity of doing so. I seriously doubt that the people serving on the board, sub-committees, and those who work for the town assisting in the process happily make themselves the targets of ridicule simply for their own amusement because they have nothing better to do with their time.

Its far to easy to say that the people actively involved in this process have special interests or personal goals they want to achieve or promote. Honestly, who amongst us doesn't have a few of these?

Busy daily lives, includes the board members & sub-committee members who will have stuck thru a very lengthy process all without being paid because they are volunteers. As for the town employees I don't think they get paid for meetings that run in the evenings. Time volunteered by them that has the perk of making more work for them to do on top of their already overloaded schedules.

In this day and age of easy communications their are many ways to come together as a neighborhood/character area and have your voices heard. No one person needs to bear the brunt of time to make the groups thoughts known. The real challenge is for character areas to get organized in order to have their voices heard.


Posted: Sunday, March 30, 2014
Article comment by: YEP PERTY MUCH CAMP VERDE

At my house it goes perty much like this, " HEY OLD WOMAN ! I am headed * TO TOWN * I are needing beer and ammo from Rezzonico's, Would ya be needing chicken feed and cigarettes?"


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